BSMW Classic – FSN Media Show 5/26/03

I recently got a new computer at home, and while cleaning out my current one, I’ve come across a number of items that were on BSMW when it was on it’s prior host. These articles and items didn’t make it across to the new server. Since it’s the end of the year, and afternoon and weekend posting may be sporadic over the next couple weeks, I’ve decided to post a few of them here over that time period. This will preserve these articles, and give the site some more content during this slow period.

Fox Sports New England Memorial Day show on the Boston Sports Media with Jim Baker and John Molori 05/26/2003

FSNE with Jim Baker and John Molori joining Greg Dickerson and Gary Tanguay:

(not exact translation, but as close as I could get)

Gary: Welcome everyone, we have been talking about doing this show for some time, it is our pleasure to have these two legendary, esteemed, journalists with us, we cannot suck up enough. John Molori here, and you talk about high maintenance (lists papers Molori

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Low Marks

The grades are in from Monday night, and they aren’t pretty. Kevin Mannix hands out a couple of failing marks to the quarterback and cornerbacks and barely passes the special teams. Michael Parente holds back on the “F’s” but does issue three “D’s”. Likewise, Steve Grogan pulls no punches in grading his former team. Tom E Curran has Troy Brown saying that while other teams are getting better as the season goes on, the Patriots are not. Alan Greenberg asserts that this Patriots team is the most vulnerable 27-2 (since September 2003) team you’ll ever see. Nick Cafardo says that Ty Law is the Patriots best hope right now, but they can’t rush him back either. Ian M Clark says that the secondary is the primary concern on this club right now. Lenny Megliola looks at the concern over the Patriots and their need to make a statement on Sunday afternoon against the Jets. George Kimball (subscription only) tells us that the Patriots have been pushing their luck for some time now and it finally caught up with them Monday night. Perhaps it was just what they needed.

Was it Charlie Weis’ fault Monday night? Was he distracted? You knew that question was going to be raised, though I haven’t heard it nearly as much as I thought I would. Ron Borges and Michael Parente say that the loss Monday night was most definitely NOT the fault of the Offensive Coordinator. Rich Thompson says that the Patriots now need to regroup and focus on capturing a first round bye for the playoffs. Mike Reiss says the defense and special teams is what is going to make or break the Patriots. The headline to Chris Kennedy’s column today is pretty self-explanatory. “Brady’s Play Dumb”. Steve Buckley (subscription only) says that all great Boston athletes have to serve their time in the stocks, and now is Brady’s turn to be publicly stoned. He reminds us though, that it’s one bad game for Brady, and that he’ll be back. Scott A Benson hashes out the playoff scenarios for us this week, and Parente’s notebook looks at the hit to their playoff chances the Pats took on Monday night. Jonathan Comey says that only some of the panic surrounding the Patriots right now is valid. Cafardo’s notebook tells us that the special teams will be getting quite a workout from coach Brad Seely this week.

Gerry Callahan (subscription only) says that Theo Epstein is going about this offseason using his head, not his heart and that is a good thing for the Boston Red Sox. He talks about Pedro feeling disrespected by the Red Sox, but points out that he should feel even more so by the Yankees, who didn’t even submit an offer for him and instead went after Jaret Wright and Carl Pavano. At one point he says:

There is a tendency for some Sox fans to think their team is falling behind in this hot stove season, but rarely do Epstein's critics have an answer to this: What was Theo supposed to do?

Hello, Glenn Ordway. Callahan goes on to point out what Theo HAS accomplished this offseason.

We know now that there is nothing reasonable or rational that he could have done to retain the services of Martinez. So he signed veteran David Wells to a contract filled with incentives, and now at least the Sox have a guy who isn't afraid to take the ball on Opening Day in Yankee Stadium. He replaced Derek Lowe, who had an ERA of 5.42 last season, with Matt Clement, who had a 3.68. Lowe gave up 224 hits in 182 innings. Clement allowed just 155 hits in 181 innings. Also, Clement is younger, cheaper and not quite so scarred emotionally.

He adds that they signed Renteria for much less than Nomar was demanding last spring, and made a good offer to Jason Varitek, but since no one out there is competing for his services, why should he raise the offer? I may not always like Callahan’s radio persona, but as a columnist, if he’s not the best in town, he’s in the top three. A little more on Ordway’s “I’m not the GM” rant…one of his claims was the Renteria was no better than Cabrera. The latter got eight million a year from the Angels, while the Sox signed Renteria for 10 a year. Buster Olney was on WEEI this morning with Greg Dickerson and Steve DeOssie. He was asked if Renteria is two million a year better than Cabrera. Olney said he certainly was, he was a much better offensive player, more disciplined at the plate and can hit in any spot in the order save 3-4. Cabrera has holes in his hitting style and is much more of an undisciplined free-swinger. He was surprised that Cabrera even got as much as he did from the Angels. Who am I going to believe on the topic of baseball…Glenn Ordway or Buster Olney? It becomes more and more clear that Ordway is more bluster than Buster. I’ll take Buster, thank you. In addition, if you get a chance to read Olney’s books “The last night of the Yankee dynasty” I would highly recommend it. Good stuff. A lot in there on Schilling as well, as the book focuses on game 7 of the 2001 World Series where Schilling started against Roger Clemens.

Sean McAdam has a look at the Dave Roberts trade. Brian Fleming takes a look at the amazing run that Pedro had while here in Boston. Gordon Edes, Michael Silverman and Dom Amore all look at the Randy Johnson deal falling apart for the Yankees. The opinion of all however, including Olney, is that Johnson will be a Yankee sometime before spring training. Raja Mishra talks to fired Red Sox team Doctor Bill Morgan, who calls his dismissal “not an objective decision”.

Bob Ryan on the Celtics beat? Be still my heart. Ryan and Mark Murphy look at the Celtics getting out worked and beaten by the Shaq-less Miami Heat on the road last night. The Celtics Blog also has a nice account of the game. The Celtics will be without Ricky Davis tonight against the Knicks, as the Celtics swingman got an automatic one game suspension for a “Flagrant 2” call against him on a fast break by Dwayne Wade. A hard foul? Yes, a “Flagrant 2”? I don’t think so. Murphy’s notebook has more on this. Ryan’s informative notebook looks at the Celtics failing to capitalize with Shaq out.

John Molori’s Media Blitz comes out swinging, taking shots at all the Boston media members who have taken cheap shots at Pedro Martinez since his departure from the Red Sox.

FSN has Celtics/Knicks at 7:00. ESPN has the GMAC Bowl with Bowling Green/Memphis at 8:00. ESPN2 has Missouri/Illinois college hoops at 8:00, followed by Grizzlies/Warriors at 10:00.

Reaction to “I’m not the GM”

With all the Patriots talk on the airwaves today, I was pretty surprised at the amount of feedback I’ve gotten regarding the Glenn Ordway “I’m not the GM” item from this morning. Here’s a sampling of the reaction:

Bruce,

I couldn't agree more on Ordway toe'ing both sides of the line, as usual, and covering his fat behind (with regard to the Sox). and his response "I'm not the GM" is pathetic, particularly for a know-it-all who is always patronizing his callers. what gets me the most is when he thinks he knows more about baseball than McAdam, Buckley, or Tony Maz; same deal with football, talking over Deossie and Smerlas.

granted Sheppard, LJ and others are donkeys and they make Ordway look great...but when he's talking to someone, and actually lets them talk, and they're educated, he can get buried. it must be the short, fat man complex. thanks for ripping him openly.

-Bob

Thanks Bob, it is amazing that someone who clearly pretends to be an expert on all things Boston sports suddenly clams up when asked for a real answer. Next up:

Bruce-
I thought you covered Sports Media? When did EEI talk shows become sports shows? Don't they really belong more in a category with the Herald's gossip page? If the talk knuckleheads on that station know anything about what's really going on in sports in Boston or the US in general, they are being paid pretty well to disguise it.

Unfortunately, many of their listeners are under the impression they're listening to a sports station staffed by informed professionals ... maybe because they seem to get the good interviews. Other than that, they're pretty much Howard Stern.
Keep the Faith:
Jeff

Jeff – totally my mistake. What was I thinking? Expecting intelligent sports talk from the “sports radio leader”. I’ve learned my lesson here. Ok, who’s next?

Bruce you are right on. I wanted to call in yesterday was busy.

Ordway during the FA period was touting the "Patriot" Philosophy and how this team, had a value for every player and wouldn't overpay and that Epstein had a B & C. Then when he says the B&C he criticizes. Sorry Glenn, either you applaud what they do and accept the end result, you can't say they are smart and then criticize the outcome.

My take, Theo gambled that the big 4 would have career years, knowing he had break this team up somewhat win or lose. Turned out 3 of the 4 had their worst seasons and one (Varitek) had is normal season. So then you are left with the consequence of that decision. Also, Bruce most people in this town only know pro sports, they don't follow college sports or minor league baseball. The Sox, are going to use this year to let their big 3 (Lester, Papelbon & Ramirez) develop at Portland. They should stay in the wildcard through July and then they can put together a package for a star pitcher or they will hold onto those guys if they don't think they can beat the Yanks and take their chances next year.

George

More good points. Glenn was indeed praising Epstein and the Red Sox for following the “Patriot model” and then yesterday went 180 degrees and trashed them. All in the name of ratings points. Gotta stir up the masses and whip the listeners into a frenzy. Toss around the buzzwords of “failed” whenever possible. The next email is a bit shorter:

Bruce -

In the history of talk radio, in the history of Debate 101, never have I heard such a disgraceful comeback as Ordway's "I'm not the GM."

Thanks for pointing it out today.

For fans, debating sports is a sport unto itself, nothing more than a pastime; there's no room for people who say, "Put up your dukes," only to backpedal when their counterpart obliges.

Take care - Mike

It was pretty pathetic, wasn’t it? After spouting on about all the mistakes made and how it’s a failure of an offseason, when asked what HE would do, all he can muster is “I’m not the GM”? Pathetic. Our next email ties in Ordway’s comments with some others on the airwaves last night (I didn’t see this show, so I can’t verify). If true, it shows the gotta-be-controversal mindset of many of the media members. Eric writes:

Bruce, that's excellent commentary on the Ordway trainwreck yesterday afternoon. I listened for about 10 minutes and then realized why I haven't tuned in to The Big Show on a consistent basis in about a year. We're less than two months removed from a Red Sox World Series victory, the team is arguably better or at least just as good as last year, yet some fans and media members are right back to their "Woe is me, the Red Sox are doomed, the Yankees are unbeatable" mantra. It's embarrasing. Guess the World Series victory hasn't changed much of anything.

Speaking of trainwrecks, did you happen to catch Bob Rogers on Fox Sports Net New England last night? He was trying so hard to desperately say "edgy" things,
but came off looking like a total moron. Among his highlights:

- David Wells will be a complete bust with Boston, with no real basis to back up that opinion

- He mentioned over and over again how he wonders why Steinbrenner doesn't get involved in signing Varitek, failing to mention what the Yankees would do with Posada

- He also had a few other real dumb comments, but the higlight was that he mentioned that Billy Beane traded Mulder and Hudson because "He was sick of hearing how he was nothing as a General Manager without The Big Three." After that comment, John Tomase let it slide for a minute but then shot that stupid comment down.

Rogers must be saying to himself, "Hey, these dumb comments work for Ordway and Co. Maybe I'll give them a try!"

Anyway, keep up the good work.

Our final email of the afternoon reminds us that there is another option for those out there who can actually get it on their radio or computer:

I check out your site everyday and I enjoy your content. I just have one issue, you give us links to just about every newspaper in the country that writes something about any of our teams, but you only talk about one radio station. I realize you can only listen to one live radio station at a time, but you attacked Glen Ordway, and rightfully so, yet never mentioned 1510 The Zone. I know the station is small, but their afternoon drive show is as informative and normally better than Ordway and his cast of morons. You could have been listening to the Diehards interview with Terry Francona on Friday or quality Red Sox, Patriot and a little Celtic talk on Monday.

Just do not forget the little guy on the other end of the dial. They have quality shows as well.

Thanks. Keep up the good work.

Steve

I actually tried to turn over to 1510 during this segment, but I couldn’t get them in up here in NH. It’s a common problem for many fans looking for some other than WEEI. One option if you’re somewhat close to Nashua is ESPN 900, which has a local sports show weekdays between 5-6.

That’s the highlights from today’s email bag.

Was that Brady or Bledsoe back there?

OK…that was ugly. In a very un-Patriot like performance, New England choked up an 11 point lead with under four minutes to play. Rodney Harrison and Tom Brady each made inexcusable errors, and the Miami defense picked Brady off four times. Well, now maybe this is the chance to see if the Michael Gee theory has any validity. We’ll keep this brief, game stories: Nick CafardoMichael FelgerTom E CurranAlan GreenbergChris Kennedy and Michael Parente. Things were so bad that Ron Borges doesn’t even need to push his agenda, he’s got plenty of material with the lack of pass protection and lack of bodies in the secondary. Borges even calls one of Brady’s INT’s “Bledsoe-esque”, an uncharacteristic slam at his binky QB. Scott A Benson is so disgusted he mails one in this morning, 37 cent stamp attached. Bob Ryan says that the Patriots got what they deserved in this one, and at least it’s settled where the AFC Championship game is going to be held. Whether the Patriots are there is a whole different story entirely. Steve Buckley (subscription only) says this was a very different Tom Brady we saw last night, he tried too hard to be the hero, and ended up throwing the pick that allowed the Dolphins to take the lead.

Ed Gray (Is he back, or is this a correspondent piece?) looks at a rough night in the secondary for Troy Brown, who yielded the game winning touchdown. Fluto Shinzawa looks at the late interception by Brady that gave the Dolphins life, an interception cause by the pass rush of Jason Taylor. Mark Murphy has Rodney Harrison saying that the Patriots need to get better. George Kimball (subscription only) has the reaction of a shell-shocked Bill Belichick following the game, as the coach lamented the team’s execution, not their intensity. Kevin Mannix has nothing about last night’s game, but instead looks ahead to Sunday, where he feels Chad Pennington might be distracted by negative media coverage in NY. Bob Ryan weighs in on Ricky Williams. Jamey Eisenberg looks at the elated Dolphins, after they knocked off the Super Bowl Champs. Shinzawa says that one win doesn’t make up for the lost season for Dolphins fans, however. Ron Borges looks at how the Patriots would hold the edge over the Steelers if difficulty of schedule were a factor in playoff seeding.

Parente’s notebook looks at how last night brought the playoff picture into clearer focus for the AFC. Cafardo’s notebook has Belichick’s reactions following the game. Felger’s notebook points out how sorely the Patriots need Ty Law to return and restore order to the secondary. Curran’s notebook looks at the poor game by Tom Brady, while Kennedy’s notebook has recaps the rough night on defense for Troy Brown.

While the Patriots had the attention of sports fans, the Red Sox went out and made a trade last night, sending Dave Roberts to the Padres for Jay Payton, Ramon Vazquez, minor league pitcher David Pauley and $2.65 million in cash. Tony Massarotti has the details of the trade and what it means for the makeup of the Red Sox heading into ’05. David Heuschkel also looks at the deal. Jon Baker looks at the new additions to the Pawtucket Red Sox roster in this offseason. Bob Halloran looks at the difference in the Red Sox and Yankees Christmas shopping. Jon Couture notes that being a fan is more and more about rooting for the uniforms. He looks at the derision being directed towards Pedro for wanting money and Ricky Williams for giving up money. Kevin Gray talks with new Fisher Cats hitting coach John Valentin about his plans for his team.

Afternoon drive time yesterday saw some of sports radio at its worst. Glenn Ordway was pressing all the buzzword buttons to stir Red Sox fans up into a frenzy while at the same time attempting to temper his words and cover himself so later he can say “That’s not what I said”. The buzzwords he was throwing out there was that Theo Epstein’s offseason is a failure thus far. Edgar Renteria is not an upgrade over Orlando Cabrera. (who signed with the Angels last night.) He used that one several times. He hears from “people in the National league” that Cabrera is actually better. He repeated several times that Theo has failed in all his attempted moves. Even though he had earlier applauded the Red Sox for not giving into Pedro’s demands, he called not signing him one of the failures. If you couldn’t tell already, “failure” and “failed” were used over and over. At one point though, a caller stepped up and challenged Ordway, asking “What would you have done, Glenn?” The answer was pathetic. “I’m not the GM”.

Now, I am not saying that you can’t knock Theo for what he’s done in the offseason. Many fans have been frustrated with some of how the offseason has gone. Probably with good reason. However, to hammer over and over that it’s a “failure” and then when asked what should he have done, to just say “I’m not the GM” shows zero credibility on the part of Ordway. He looks like a blowhard buffoon, and no better than the fans he mocks who don’t have an answer when he asks them something similar when they call in to question say, the Patriots. How many times has a caller questioned something, and the hosts say, “Well what would you have done?” and then as the caller is stammering, they ridicule him? Happens ALL the time on that station.

Peter May looks at the increase in scoring in the NBA and notes how the Celtics are one of the teams leading the charge in this new and improved NBA. Mark Murphy looks at the new and improved Ricky Davis, who in many ways has become the Celtics defensive stopper. Murphy’s notebook looks at the play of rookie Tony Allen, who continues to open eyes, both with his own coaches and around the league. Peter Vecsey reports that Danny Ainge and the Celtics are trying to work out a deal to bring Antoine Walker back to the green.

Bill Griffith looks at the impact of Sirius satellite radio on sports coverage.

FSN has Celtics/Heat at 7:30. ESPN has the Champs Sports Bowl with Syracuse taking on Georgia Tech at 7:45. ESPN2 has college hoops with Texas Tech/Iowa at 7:00 and UCLA/Michigan State at 9:00.

Patriots on MNF

The Patriots get back to work tonight taking on the Dolphins in Miami on Monday Night Football. Nick Cafardo has a look at the game tonight, and highlights six bulleted points surrounding the contest. Kevin Mannix in his game preview says that Corey Dillon must have a big game, because the results aren’t pretty when the Patriots are forced to pass the ball. That’s a little bit of a stretch. Jim McBride has the scouting report for the Globe. Tom E Curran says that the Patriots fully expect the Dolphins to put up a mighty challenge tonight. Alan Greenberg says that the Dolphins began their annual late season collapse in July this year. Hector Longo says the Dolphins will look to exploit the patchwork secondary for the Patriots with big plays down the field. Michael Parente agrees that Miami will try more long plays tonight, but says they really only have pride to play for. George Kimball looks at the bad hand dealt to Miami interim coach Jim Bates.

Bob Ryan looks at the short term focus of the Patriots players and coaches, which stands in sharp contrast to the tendency of media and fans who want to look all the way ahead to playing the Steelers January 23 in the AFC Championship game. Chris Kennedy looks at Troy Brown’s role on defense, a role that looks to continue, and perhaps even increase. It’s pretty amazing that the coaching staff had Brown working out in preseason for this situation, isn’t it? They were mocked by certain members of the local media for it, some even hinting that Brown was being forced to do it against his will, yet in the end, it turned out to be something vitally important to the football team. Some more human members of the media acknowledge this, while others choose to ignore that they ever weighed in on the topic. Dan Pires looks at the Patriots success in finding undrafted players, looks at the Pro Bowl voting, and also has a bit on the play of Keith Traylor. Kevin Mannix says the Patriots are in the unusual position of going into Miami without much pressure. George Kimball talks to Jason Taylor about the season, rival quarterbacks, and his envy at the Patriots players who get to play both sides of the ball. Jim Donaldson looks at the San Diego Chargers, who have to be feeling a little smug towards Eli Manning, who snubbed them in favor of the woeful Giants.

In Miami, Greg A Bedard looks at Tom Brady continuing to add to his legend and contrasts him with Miami QB A.J. Feeley. David J Neal says that Brady’s humility makes him great. Greg Stoda says that even Nick Saban would need time to rebuild this Dolphins organization.

Gordon Edes looks at all of the Red Sox arbitration eligible players declining arbitration last night, including Jason Varitek. Tony Massarotti says this means that the clock is ticking for talks with Varitek, as the Red Sox have to get him signed before January 8th, or risk losing him. John Tomase hopes that we remember Pedro more for his brilliance on the field instead of for his selfishness off of it. Jose Martinez of the NY Daily News tells us that Pedro’s former buddy Nelson feels betrayed by the former Sox ace and vows to stick with the Red Sox. Jamie Pote of the Herald has Dave Roberts hoping for a starting role. In a split column, Terry Nau looks at the challenges facing both the Red Sox and Patriots in their quest to defend their championships. Pote also talks to Tim Wakefield, who denies any rumors of a strained relationship during the season between Curt Schilling and Pedro Martinez, and wishes Pedro well going forward. He can’t wait to meet his new teammates and looks forward to defending their title.

Shira Springer looks at the Celtics developing mental toughness during this brutal December schedule. Mark Murphy looks at the Celtics improved play in the clutch, and the amazing stat that they’ve been either tied or ahead in the fourth quarter in 21 of their 23 games. Christopher Price says he was wrong about Gary Payton. He thought he was going to be a negative on this team, but instead has been one of the best parts of it. Murphy’s notebook has a couple Celtics expressing dismay that old teammate Eric Williams was traded away from his New Jersey home in the Vince Carter deal.

Congrats to Mike Giardi of NECN for getting a new deal from the station.

ABC has Patriots/Dolphins at 9:00.